Clarify what you mean by expansion

'How long have you been in wspace? Apparently, not long enough. W-space is more populated now than it ever has been.

If you want a conflict driver, then I suggest you move out of your C6 and into a system that attaches to HS....yeah I know....it's not as cool as saying "I live in a C6 I'ma bad muthafcka". Noone wants to travel to your part of space. Now, you get a system with a HS and you have the opportunity to ruin whoever's day everytime they need a route to Jita. As a C2 dweller, I can't really help it if you C5/6 guys like to drop carriers on 3 man fleets when one of your T3's get face punched because obviously, noone from lower w-space can bring a cap fight. At that point, the fight is pretty much over....isn't it?

What you C5/6 guys want is a fight. What you bring is overpowering fleets with +3 guardians, ewar +10 T3's with caps in reserve. Noone from lower w-space is going to fight you because, in the end, you guys run back to your fortresses of solitude to the safety of your cap fleets.

Used to, long ago, we'd have you c6/c5 guys rolling into our C2's and locking down the systems. I don't see that anymore. That's for one of two reasons. One: We've just gotten so good at fighting you guys off or Two: You guys have become major bears. I tend to think it's the latter. You guys want the safety of numbers and frankly, w-space isn't necessarily about numbers.

Ultimately, what you C5/6 guys are looking for are large fleet battles so everyone can have fun. Nothing wrong with that. Problem is, you live in the least populated areas of w-space.....see the problem? You might consider moving to null or losec if you really want to fight....with caps. Otherwise, swallow your pride and move into lower end space. Down here we get pew almost daily and most of it comes right to us when people are looking for routes to hs.

As to a specific conflict driver for w-space, not sure w-space needs the losec/nullsec

... it just seems all the fighting in WH space is done for the fun of it only, and that is in my opinion a broken mechanic... There has to be a way where you actually can profit from your pvp if you are relatively better at it that the other wh dwellers, just like null sec. The core of this game is you risk your things to get rewarded with something else. This is completely non existent in WH pvp.

4. I honestly dont see what the problem is with hot and sweaty no strings attached fleet battles. Is there really a downside if polarized roles into SYJ and they have a 40-50 vs 40-50 man battle with 2-3 caps on each side? Or is this not elite enough for you? Does elite pvp always have to include the total annihilation of your enemy? Or does it simply have to do with that feeling you get when you burn someone's holes down. Its like being a kid on the beach and kicking down sand castles. We worked hard on those, do you really need to kick them down?

no, it actually proves us absolutely correct.
it shows that you can see the issue, admit it's there, know youre part of the issue, and yet, do nothing about it.
it's the worst kind of hypocrisy.

The second point that need to be made is the all or nothingness of invasions in WH.

Either the inhabitants fights. Ok, we don't invade, yeay, arranged pvp.
Or, they don't and we have a choice:
a) commit full fleet for kicking them out.
b) move on.

There is nothing in between. We can't "raid" the WH or anything similar. Either we let them go or we sentence them to death... completely.. not in a physical way but in the only way that matters: isk and time.

I'm afraid, Joan, that your demand for conflict drivers might be idealistic. The people who like PVP are already PVP'ing. The primary factor in the lack of PVP in w-space, is that there are too many carebears (logical, with the high profit and all).

Solution:

Either reduce the number of systems (or make it so that connections are more cluster-oriented) or make logistics easier to promote w-space to nullsec and lowsec pvp'ers.

If you want an incentive to fight:

::: Sleeper System Purge :::
A type of incursion for the duration of a week, with a week of 'loading' to make w-space entities aware of the impending system status. Only 1 of these around at any given time.

• Added new type of anomalies for the duration until they've been cleared (can be cleared after the event too, as a reward for the w-system holder).
• Escalated anomalies will present sleeper capital ships on top of the regular stuff. Lots of blue stuff which will attract both PVE and PVP entities.
• The system will have a big increase of the chance of an incoming hole popping up, making sure that a good portion of w-space has access to it and to make wormhole control very difficult, if not impossible.
• The system gets 7 statics (6 different class systems and null)

It's balanced risk vs reward, it's bound to be good pvp and pve and it should promote larger fights.

What do you think? This won't make all of W-space into null while still presenting a good incentive to keep rolling for pew or pve (= more active fleets to fight).

I quite like the idea of some sort of CTF mechanic. Something you can obtain and take back to your system if the current owners do not defend it. It must be beneficial to own it in some way, desirable to have, but must give the defending party a chance to prevent an aggressor stealing it in a short space of time.

Darren, the "no pew to pve" statement is directly caused by you guys moving into the least populated areas of space. In lower classes where almost every other wh is occupied, we do. Being connected to a hs means...

For meaningful change to happen, there would need a radical shift in the mindset of EVERYONE, and that's just not going to happen barring intervention from CCP. The people are the problem, not the game.

I wouldn't mind dual statics in some C5's.....